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best route from St Petersburg to Navra- Tallin [message #432] Sun, 12 January 2014 14:08 Go to next message
siggy  is currently offline siggy  Australia
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Hi,
we are visiting St Petersburg in early June this year and then plan to bike to Tallin , boat to Helsinki and then onward to Sweden.
We would like some advice regarding which road to ride towards Narva, and where would be a suitable overnight stop. Is the highwayM11 unsuitable (busy) to ride on? Best to go south via Gatchina or follow coast road ? Is coastroad a problem near Sosnovy Bo? Heard it is a militarized zone.

Grateful for answers/ recommendations for any of those issues.
Re: best route from St Petersburg to Navra- Tallin [message #433 is a reply to message #432 ] Sun, 12 January 2014 22:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
repovesi  is currently offline repovesi  Russian Federation
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siggy wrote on Sun, 12 January 2014 14:08
Is coastroad a problem near Sosnovy Bo? Heard it is a militarized zone.


There are several areas closed for foreigners in Russia, see Government Decree N 470 from 04.07.1992, actual version 18.09.2012.

On Leningrad area: all islands of Finnish gulf (exclude opened Gogland island) and 20 kilometers stip along the coast of Finnish gulf from Narva river till Malaya Izhora village.

So, it is no possible officially travel along the coast. But there are many other roads from St. Petersburg to Narva, see the map. For example, use local train from Baltijsky Terminal of St.Petersburg to Gatchina Baltiyskaya railway station, and cycle via villages/towns Voiskovitci, Elizavetino, Volosovo, Bol.Vruda, Opolje, Kingisepp, Ivangorod.


Sincerely yours, Mr. Repovesi
Re: best route from St Petersburg to Navra- Tallin [message #434 is a reply to message #432 ] Mon, 13 January 2014 06:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi,
Thank you Mr Repovesi for your reply.
Going via Gatchina sounds as a good route. Have heard that bikes go free on the russian trains. Is this correct?
Tried to find out re. railway tickets on the net but it came up as "No Known Station" Maybe the web only deals with big stations.
A couple of more questions:
1) Is it possible to find accommodation at some of the towns you mentioned (including Gatchina) ?
2) Does the same train continue to Kingisepp?

Thanks again
Siggy
Re: best route from St Petersburg to Navra- Tallin [message #435 is a reply to message #434 ] Tue, 14 January 2014 07:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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siggy wrote on Mon, 13 January 2014 06:31
Have heard that bikes go free on the russian trains. Is this correct?


There are two types of trains in Russia: long-distance and local.
Long-distance tickets there:
http://pass.rzd.ru/main-pass/public/en

Local trains aroud St.Petersburg there (no possible to buy local-tickets via Internet), all tickets without numbers of places:
http://ppk-piter.ru/

So, bikes are free on long-distance trains, you must use cycling-bag like this:
index.php?t=getfile&id=32&private=0

Ticket for cycle for local train near St.Petersburg costs about 36 Rub~=0,8EUR (any distance). Disassemble your cycle and pack it in local trains NOT needed.


siggy wrote on Mon, 13 January 2014 06:31
Tried to find out re. railway tickets on the net but it came up as "No Known Station" Maybe the web only deals with big stations.


See there (in Russian):
http://ppk-piter.ru/passenger/book/

Press Балтийский вокзал (Baltiysky vokzal), then СПб-Гатчина (SPb-Gatchina), or for Ivangorod (near Estonian Narva): press
again Балтийский вокзал (Baltiysky vokzal), then СПб-Ивангород (SPb-Ivangorod).

Use Wikimapia.org, click.

siggy wrote on Mon, 13 January 2014 06:31
1) Is it possible to find accommodation at some of the towns you mentioned (including Gatchina) ?


There are several small hotels in Ivangorod, Kingisepp, and Gatchiva. Nothing hotels around.
Kingisepp: 1, 2, 3, 4....

For Gatchina's hotels use Booking.com

siggy wrote on Mon, 13 January 2014 06:31
2) Does the same train continue to Kingisepp?


Yes. See the map above. The gage from SPb to Kingisepp, Ivangorod, Narva, Tallinn turns to the West one km after Gatchina.

NB! You can use international train SPb-Tallinn, and buy tickets on Russian service: http://pass.rzd.ru/main-pass/public/en or, use Estonian one: http://www.gorail.ee.

If you travel by train from Russian station to another Russian station AND use Russian ticket-service, your ticket will be cheaper 2-2,5 times (so called Putin's social politics), irrespective of your citizenship.
For example the ticket SPb-Ivangorod (Russian border station, 168 km) costs 251Rub. But the ticket SPb-Narva(Estonian border station, 170 km) costs 908Rub. Use it for your pleasure Smile

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Sincerely yours, Mr. Repovesi
Re: best route from St Petersburg to Navra- Tallin [message #436 is a reply to message #435 ] Wed, 15 January 2014 07:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dear Mr Repovesi,
Thank you so much, you have been very helpful with information. If you are in St Petersburg June 3-10 or along our route to Tallin we would love to catch up and buy you a beer ( or vodka)
Don and Sigrid
Re: best route from St Petersburg to Navra- Tallin [message #437 is a reply to message #436 ] Wed, 15 January 2014 23:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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siggy wrote on Wed, 15 January 2014 07:46
Dear Mr Repovesi,
Thank you so much, you have been very helpful with information. If you are in St Petersburg June 3-10 or along our route to Tallin we would love to catch up and buy you a beer ( or vodka)
Don and Sigrid


Thank you, very much. I prefer a good tea. I hate beer and/or vodka like majority of Russian cyclists.


Sincerely yours, Mr. Repovesi
Re: best route from St Petersburg to Navra- Tallin [message #438 is a reply to message #437 ] Thu, 16 January 2014 07:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dear Mr Repovesi,
Meeting for a cup of tea would be very nice. maybe you know a nice teahouse/cafe. If you are interested in meeting up for a nice talk of cycling and touring you can contact us on donsigrid@gmail.com and give us your contact details and we will be in touch y closer to the time. (but please, don't feel you have to)
Don
Re: best route from St Petersburg to Navra- Tallin [message #439 is a reply to message #438 ] Thu, 23 January 2014 13:21 Go to previous message
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siggy, nearer to the arrival you can write here more details, so may be someone can help you in SPb (for example - I can met you, if you ride a bike from a ferry/plane to a hotel and if I am free Smile ).
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