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Cycling from Helsinki to the baltic states in summer 2009 [message #61] Mon, 09 March 2009 20:59 Go to next message
falko  is currently offline falko  Germany
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Hi there,

my name is Falko, I live in Germany.

Every yaer (well, nearly every year) I am going on a cycle-tour for 2-3 weeks with two friends of me. We have that principle to start in the following year exactly at the same point where we have finished the year before.

The tour has gone across Germany, Austria, Italia, France, Spain, Portugal, Spain, France, England, Ireland, Scottland, Norway, Sweden and Finnland.

Last year, 2008, we went from Bergen (Norway) to Helsinki (Finland), taking the ferry from Stockholm to Turku. An this year,2009, we will start in Helsinki and cycle to Vyborg, St.Petersburg, Narva, to the Baltiv states.

We have a short description of our tour in the internet, it is written in German. Last years tour can be found here: http://www.europa-radtour.de/rad08.html A map with the track we cycled in the last 10 years is here: http://www.europa-radtour.de/karte.html.

There a 2 problems, I would like to discuss.

Problem #1 (the smaller one):

Can anybody give us any advice, wich way we should follow into town avoiding heavy traffic? We will stay one night in Zelenogorsk (I found a hotel there) and come to St. Petersburg from the north.

Problem #2 (didn't knew about it 10 Minutes ago - the larger Problem):

I already booked a hotel in Sosnovyj Bor for one night, but I did not know that there is a restricted area. Well, they take bookings anyway. Do I run in trouble, heading from St. Petersburg to Sosnovyj Bor? Are there any experiences from 2009?

Thank you very much for your help,

Falko
Re: Cycling from Helsinki to the baltic states in summer 2009 [message #62 is a reply to message #61 ] Tue, 10 March 2009 00:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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falko wrote on Mon, 09 March 2009 20:59
Problem #2 (didn't knew about it 10 Minutes ago - the larger Problem):

I already booked a hotel in Sosnovyj Bor for one night, but I did not know that there is a restricted area. Well, they take bookings anyway. Do I run in trouble, heading from St. Petersburg to Sosnovyj Bor? Are there any experiences from 2009?


I think you should ask Sosnovyj Bor's hotel administration about it Smile

Theoretically, there is a special list of types prohibited territory in Russia. It was published here:
http://www.consultant.ru/online/base/?req=doc;base=LAW;n=61609#p29
use http://translate.google.com

1. Closed towns, where nuclear bombs design.
2. Territories, which forbidden for foreign people only.
3. Public emergency or war areas.
4. Mulitary camps.
5. РЎounterterrorism operation areas.
6. Ecological catastrophe areas.
7. Frontier zones.
8. Objects of Defence Ministry and military formations.
9. Objects with any types of works with National Security Information.
10. Another objects, where russian citizens must have special permit.

Focus of your interest is zone with type в„–2. Listing of that zones (territories, which forbidden for foreign people only) is on official page:

http://www.fmsrf.ru/document.asp?did=364
use http://translate.google.com

12. Leningrad region - the island of the Gulf of Finland, the coastal strip of 20 kilometers from the Narva River up to Little Izhora.

In practice, you can go that journey, but:
you must avoid the check point here, and you should avoid to use hotel in Sosnovy Bor.


Sincerely yours, Mr. Repovesi
Re: Cycling from Helsinki to the baltic states in summer 2009 [message #63 is a reply to message #61 ] Tue, 10 March 2009 00:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Falko!You can visit Sosnovyj Bor with your bike by 2 ways:by train (from Baltic trail station) and by road (around the frontier picket)

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Re: Cycling from Helsinki to the baltic states in summer 2009 [message #64 is a reply to message #63 ] Tue, 10 March 2009 00:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Photo from Sos.Bor

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Re: Cycling from Helsinki to the baltic states in summer 2009 [message #65 is a reply to message #62 ] Tue, 10 March 2009 00:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi there,

thank you very much for your reply.

I have no intention to ask the people at the Hotel in Sosnovyj Bor. Asking them will draw even more attention to my visit.

I have seen websites, where cyclists describe exactly this route and I think some of them have stayed at the hotel in Sosnovyj Bor. Even here in this forum some people wrote about their plans to give it a try.
Maybe these people can report about there experiences, please? Or did they somehow disappear? Shocked

Trying to get through without beeing noticed is one thing. Beeing clever enough to announce his own arrival in the restricted area 6 month in advance is another thing and quite a strange strategy. Rolling Eyes

Meantime I will prepare Plan B: Leaving St.Petersburg south to Gatcina then heading west to Volosovo. I googled a hotel in that area and I will ask a russian native-speaker to give them a call.

Back to problem #1:
For a lot of cities you can find a suggested cycle-route into the city and out of the citiy. Maybe someone can prepare a topic here in this forum and make sure that there are not to many bycicles on the M10 and M11.
Well, leaving St.Petersburg to the west could be left out.


Hi 6puket,

I guess, "you can visit Sosnovyj Bor" does not exactly mean "you are allowed to visit"?
The cycle-Tour 2009 should be finished this summer in Poland - not next summer in some prison. Very Happy


Ciao,
Falko.
Re: Cycling from Helsinki to the baltic states in summer 2009 [message #66 is a reply to message #65 ] Tue, 10 March 2009 01:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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falko wrote on Tue, 10 March 2009 00:49
I guess, "you can visit Sosnovyj Bor" does not exactly mean "you are allowed to visit"?


Yes, it's absolutely not the same. But let's try Smile
I was in Sosnovy Bor more than 10 times without permission. (This area not only type-2 territories, which forbidden for foreign people only, but type-7 too (frontier zones).

falko wrote on Tue, 10 March 2009 00:49
The cycle-Tour 2009 should be finished this summer in Poland - not next summer in some prison.
. Maximum fine for violation of frontier regulations is 500 rubles, approx. 12EUR. But, you can achieve cancellation of russian visa, and prohibition to entry to Russia for 2 or 5 years theoretically Wink Although I don't know cancellation for similar cases in practice.


Sincerely yours, Mr. Repovesi
Re: Cycling from Helsinki to the baltic states in summer 2009 [message #67 is a reply to message #65 ] Tue, 10 March 2009 01:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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falko wrote on Tue, 10 March 2009 00:49

Back to problem #1:
For a lot of cities you can find a suggested cycle-route into the city and out of the city.


Yes, you should use ELEKTRICHKAS.


Sincerely yours, Mr. Repovesi
Re: Cycling from Helsinki to the baltic states in summer 2009 [message #68 is a reply to message #65 ] Tue, 10 March 2009 10:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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falko wrote on Tue, 10 March 2009 00:49
Hi there,


Back to problem #1:
For a lot of cities you can find a suggested cycle-route into the city and out of the citiy.




Dear Falko!

We work on this problem, and even make our first steps to make a good way to go out of the city. But our work not translated yet.
You may see on english one variant:
http://www.veloguide.ru/path_full.php?id_path=88

It is possible to get a trek for GPS
Re: Cycling from Helsinki to the baltic states in summer 2009 [message #69 is a reply to message #65 ] Tue, 10 March 2009 19:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hallo Falko,

deine erste Frage ist eine echt schwere und ich möcht' dir zwar im Voraus sagen, dass wenn du Staus und LKWs vermeiden willst, dann musst du bereit zu den Straßen sein, die dir nicht im Traum einfallen würden. Razz Eigentlich besteht das Problem darin, dass manche von ihnen gar nicht asphaltiert sind, das sieht aber nicht so schlimm im Vergleich zu denen, die vor 20 Jahren asphaltiert wurden und seitdem hat keine Walze diese Umgebung besucht. Und falls all das mit Sand bedeckt wird und es zur guten Letzt regnet, dann können diese Straßen nur als verdammt bezeichnet werden. In Deutschland hab ich eine kleine Erfahrung mit dem Fahrrad gehabt und hoffe im Stande zu sein die Straßen zu vergleichen. Rolling Eyes

Aber all oben geschriebene kann nur durchgelesen und ernst nicht akzeptiert werden, denn Rad fahren ist wirklich eine berauschende Zeitverbreitung von selbst.

WГјnsche ich dir viel SpaГџ bei uns eigentlich. Smile



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Dear friends,

We would ask you to use English on this forum if possible.
Other languages are welcome if you don't speak English or using it is too difficult for you.

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[Updated on: Wed, 11 March 2009 12:46] by Moderator

Re: Cycling from Helsinki to the baltic states in summer 2009 [message #71 is a reply to message #61 ] Wed, 11 March 2009 20:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dear Falco,
Concerning your first question:

Quote:

Problem #1 (the smaller one):

Can anybody give us any advice, wich way we should follow into town avoiding heavy traffic? We will stay one night in Zelenogorsk (I found a hotel there) and come to St. Petersburg from the north.


I think the best way is the following:
You shoulg go from Zelenogorsk along Primorskoye shosse. On the right side of this road practically everythere from Zelenogorsk to Sestroretsk there are additional surfaced path looks like "bike-path". In Sestroretsk you need, unfortunately, to take part in traffic. After Sestroretsk but before KAD you should turn left and try to found the street "Ul. Muromtseva", or "Levashovskoe shosse" (it is the different names for the same street). It going along KAD (KAD will be from the right hand). [by moderator: KAD means "St. Petersburg's circular motorway"; cycling on it is banned] After about 8 km you should turn right and cross the KAD by the bridge. Then after about 2 km the road is bending, and you should found on its left side the small path going into the forest. This place is here

[url= http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=60.0417517&lon=30.1374507& amp;z=17&l=1&m=a&v=1[/url]

You should turn the east from the corner of surfaced road, and take the southern path going east (northern way going through the Kamenka willage is usually worse). This path going through the Juntolovsky Zakasnik, and soon you exit to the city Smile .

Also I advice you to go to St-Petersburg in week-end. Especially Sunday early morning. Traffic in the city will be much less than in other time.

Quote:

Problem #2 (didn't knew about it 10 Minutes ago - the larger Problem):

I already booked a hotel in Sosnovyj Bor for one night, but I did not know that there is a restricted area. Well, they take bookings anyway. Do I run in trouble, heading from St. Petersburg to Sosnovyj Bor? Are there any experiences from 2009?


Sometimes in electric trains near Sosnovy Bor frontier guards check the documents.
I can advice you to ask some documents from the hotel (such as confirmation of booking et.c.). Of course you should avoid to documend cheking by the frontier guardg near Sosnovy Bor, but if they catch you - this document can be (but not must be) helpful.

In any case, you should ask your question again just before your trip. Something can changes, and probably somebody can meet you.

up: I corrected the place of turn to give it more precious. You should turn into the small path into the forest what can be seen hardly from the road.

[Updated on: Tue, 24 March 2009 21:10]

Re: Cycling from Helsinki to the baltic states in summer 2009 [message #72 is a reply to message #65 ] Wed, 11 March 2009 22:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi falko,

You haven't told how you are going to receive a visa.

Hotel booking confirmations are essential for visa application in most cases, but appearing in the consulate with the confirmation received from Sosnovy Bor may cause much more problem than the following:
falko wrote on Tue, 10 March 2009 00:49
I have no intention to ask the people at the Hotel in Sosnovyj Bor. Asking them will draw even more attention to my visit.



Bicycly yours,
Victor
Re: Cycling from Helsinki to the baltic states in summer 2009 [message #74 is a reply to message #61 ] Wed, 18 March 2009 22:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi folks,

we discussed the SosnovyjBor issue and decided to go from St.Petersburg to Narva via Volosovo.
In Kalitino is a hotel (it is marked as a hotel at google maps) and we will sleep there. On the second day we will go to Narva.
This route avoids the M11.

The people who run the hotel do not speak english, so I asked a friend (he is russian nativ-speaker) to call them.
My friend tried to explain to them that I will be on a cycle trip, but the woman at the other end of the line replied, that there are quite often cyclist at her hotel. Seems to be a common place for cyclist.
Maybe most guests of the hotel travel by bicycle.

So I will look on your russian website to find a way into town and out of town.

into town:
should I go via Pargolov or should I stay close to the coast?
Or should I come in from the East via Vsevolozsk?


Anyway, thank you very much for your help,
Falko.
Re: Cycling from Helsinki to the baltic states in summer 2009 [message #75 is a reply to message #74 ] Wed, 18 March 2009 23:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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falko wrote on Wed, 18 March 2009 22:21
In Kalitino is a hotel


Yes. See Kalitino on the map.
See Kalition page in ru.wikipedia.org, use translate.google.com for your language.


falko wrote on Wed, 18 March 2009 22:21

into town:
should I go via Pargolov or should I stay close to the coast?
Or should I come in from the East via Vsevolozsk?


I prefer road like that:
Point 1.
Point 2.
Point 3.
Point 4.

Then along wet sand (see girls in bikini, heh Smile
Point 5.

Via nudist beach Wink
Point 6.

Via pedestrian bridge:
Point 7.

Via summer houses residential quarter:
Point 8.

Then on cycling path on the West side of motorway:
Point 9.

Then I prefer to catch a local train ("elektrichkas") on the stations Tarknovka or Alexandrovskaya.

[Updated on: Wed, 18 March 2009 23:20]


Sincerely yours, Mr. Repovesi
Re: Cycling from Helsinki to the baltic states in summer 2009 [message #76 is a reply to message #75 ] Fri, 20 March 2009 17:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Maybe it will be interesting to visit Lenin's places.

Lenin's barn museum:
http://www.oblmap.spb.ru/index.php?v=1&pv=0.201193464255 118;0.0683810798711066;100&pt=1

Lenin's hut museum:
http://www.oblmap.spb.ru/index.php?v=1&pv=0.193847208299 923;0.0682827127650669;100&pt=1

And then by the
Lenin's footpath via Novoselki and Levashovo enter St.Petersburg from the north.
Re: Cycling from Helsinki to the baltic states in summer 2009 [message #77 is a reply to message #76 ] Fri, 20 March 2009 23:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Miha Ulanov wrote on Fri, 20 March 2009 17:06
Maybe it will be interesting to visit Lenin's places...


Yes, it's little bit funny places. Leader of bolsheviks took money from Germam Kaiser intelligence for making the revolution. Then, Tsar's counter-espionage service tried to catch him and kill him immediately. So, Lenin run to the forests near Russian-Finnish boundary that places and lived in forest shelter.

After that he trespassed via frontier zone in Summer 1917, and took a train to Finland. Locomotive driver of an engine was Lenin's friend, and Lenin was re-dressed to locomotive fireman. Thanks to that fact, Lenin didn't check in customs station Beloostrov, and successfully escaped to Finland.


Sincerely yours, Mr. Repovesi
Re: Cycling from Helsinki to the baltic states in summer 2009 [message #109 is a reply to message #61 ] Thu, 30 July 2009 01:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi there,

The visa-problem is solved, the visa are in our passports. Smile

The Sosnovy-Bor-problem is solved: We will avoid that place and make a stopover between St. Petersburg and Narva in Kalitino. Smile

The getting-into-town-problem is solved: We will follow the route to St. Petersburg described above. Smile

There is only one problem left: How do we get out of St.Petersburg? I would like to stay at the sea as long as possible, maybe up to Petergof. Then following the P35 to Gostolicy and south to Ceremykino.
Is there anybody out there with a better idea?

Thanks,
Falko
Re: Cycling from Helsinki to the baltic states in summer 2009 [message #110 is a reply to message #109 ] Sat, 01 August 2009 12:37 Go to previous message
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Yes - your variant seems ok.

Dont forget to visit palases in Peterhof Smile
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